Comments on: New Gold Dream? http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july Emergent Culture Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:28:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: darrell http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july/comment-page-1#comment-629 darrell Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:34:27 +0000 http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july#comment-629 anything more that need be said? dunno. anything more needing be done? hell yes -- the doing of it! cluetrain, as manifestos tend to be, is a call to arms. we still need to roll up our sleeves and start work on the munitions: the organisational structures, working practices and process patterns that make any of this sustainable and of shared benefit. MUCH to be done. anything more that need be said? dunno. anything more needing be done? hell yes — the doing of it! cluetrain, as manifestos tend to be, is a call to arms. we still need to roll up our sleeves and start work on the munitions: the organisational structures, working practices and process patterns that make any of this sustainable and of shared benefit. MUCH to be done.

]]> By: charlie robertson http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july/comment-page-1#comment-628 charlie robertson Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:02:59 +0000 http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july#comment-628 I think 'folded, gnarly, spaces' should be a sub-brand of Big Shiny Thing - therein IP may lie I think ‘folded, gnarly, spaces’ should be a sub-brand of Big Shiny Thing – therein IP may lie

]]> By: Adam http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july/comment-page-1#comment-599 Adam Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:07:16 +0000 http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july#comment-599 I thought more on this topic but only ended up retracing the Cluetrain Manifesto. Is there anything new that need be said? Can we say it better? Anomaly are building IP via their work with clients: http://www.anomalynyc.com I thought more on this topic but only ended up retracing the Cluetrain Manifesto.

Is there anything new that need be said? Can we say it better?

Anomaly are building IP via their work with clients:
http://www.anomalynyc.com

]]> By: Dino http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july/comment-page-1#comment-419 Dino Mon, 02 Jul 2007 18:19:36 +0000 http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july#comment-419 excellent post darrell. excellent post darrell.

]]> By: darrell http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july/comment-page-1#comment-414 darrell Sun, 01 Jul 2007 20:45:17 +0000 http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july#comment-414 that link works for me... http://www.cbr.cam.ac.uk/pdf/WP322.pdf if you can't get to it, shout and i'll upload a separate copy d that link works for me…

http://www.cbr.cam.ac.uk/pdf/WP322.pdf

if you can’t get to it, shout and i’ll upload a separate copy

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]]> By: Adam http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july/comment-page-1#comment-413 Adam Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:11:39 +0000 http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july#comment-413 Malformed link http://www.cbr.cam.ac.uk/pdf/WP322.pdf Malformed link

http://www.cbr.cam.ac.uk/pdf/WP322.pdf

]]> By: Darrell http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july/comment-page-1#comment-410 Darrell Sun, 01 Jul 2007 09:50:37 +0000 http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july#comment-410 exactly. that's one of the tricky bits. which is why its imporant people are talking about this -- AND learning from other corners of network culture where similar (but not the same) issues apply - software/research/music etc. it would also be a 'bad' result if we all just ended up producing 'work for hire' with no rights to the value in it. there IS more gold. Hopefully enough for everyone. We just need to not be so excited by the Big Shiny Thing that we forget to make sure we're looking after each other... all ideas welcome... and this might be an interesting read (haven't read it myself yet): <em><a href="www.cbr.cam.ac.uk/pdf/WP322.pdf" rel="nofollow">The Return of the Guild? Network Relations in Historical Perspective</a></em> exactly. that’s one of the tricky bits. which is why its imporant people are talking about this — AND learning from other corners of network culture where similar (but not the same) issues apply – software/research/music etc. it would also be a ‘bad’ result if we all just ended up producing ‘work for hire’ with no rights to the value in it. there IS more gold. Hopefully enough for everyone. We just need to not be so excited by the Big Shiny Thing that we forget to make sure we’re looking after each other… all ideas welcome… and this might be an interesting read (haven’t read it myself yet): The Return of the Guild? Network Relations in Historical Perspective

]]> By: David Barrie http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july/comment-page-1#comment-407 David Barrie Sun, 01 Jul 2007 05:36:18 +0000 http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july#comment-407 Note to self: I must find out how the guilds would share property and profit. cos there may be more mutual excitement in this network-entrpreneurial future. There is more gold. But authorship and intellectual property are the tradeable currencies. How to realise the dream where the 'gold' includes not just cash in the bank but a continuing interest in this property? Note to self: I must find out how the guilds would share property and profit. cos there may be more mutual excitement in this network-entrpreneurial future. There is more gold. But authorship and intellectual property are the tradeable currencies. How to realise the dream where the ‘gold’ includes not just cash in the bank but a continuing interest in this property?

]]> By: Adam http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july/comment-page-1#comment-401 Adam Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:32:14 +0000 http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july#comment-401 Brilliant post, Darrell And since I'm still silly enough to believe in revolutions: The Agency Is Dead. Long Live The Agency! http://www.adamcrowe.com/2007/06/30/the-agency-is-dead-long-live-the-agency/ Brilliant post, Darrell

And since I’m still silly enough to believe in revolutions:

The Agency Is Dead. Long Live The Agency!

http://www.adamcrowe.com/2007/06/30/the-agency-is-dead-long-live-the-agency/

]]> By: darrell http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july/comment-page-1#comment-399 darrell Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:58:44 +0000 http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july#comment-399 Well... there are any number of ways to cut it. I'm old enough to view the new gold dream with a certain scepticism (hence the title for the story -- there's a level at which all these thrusting young things, shiny-eyed and talking up the 'new' digitally-mediated collectivism, seem as blinkered as the Thatcher-era city kids, riding the boom). At another level, we've been talking exactly this kind of network-entrepreneurial future up for the last decade, and it's exciting to see a change in the weather. This <i>can be</i> a time of flux and re-arrangment of intent, loyalties, and maybe just maybe, a shifting of the centre of people's focus in- or onto something of more mutual benefit than the traditional 'career in media'. I hope that's true. As I see it, the more original thought and power there is <em>in the network</em> rather than in the the PLC, the better. I hope we end up with something a little closer to the form of <i>guilds</i> -- supportive of 'our' people, and looking out for each other, sharing our learnings in the network. Personally, I feel a 'wrong' outcome would be to emulate the <i>Wired</i>-era crew (read Turner's book) & jump straight into some New Right version of libertarianism within which our ONLY value, and only opportunity, comes from being a Big Name on FaceBook, or a top-5 blogger. Trading a career and some security for that kind of elitism wouldn't really seem a fair trade to me. Uh rant over. That story is here to hopefully start some meta-discussion of what 'we' are up to, and what we can do. There's a storm brewing: we need all the meteorological ironmongery -- be they weathervanes or lightening rods -- we can forge. Well… there are any number of ways to cut it.

I’m old enough to view the new gold dream with a certain scepticism (hence the title for the story — there’s a level at which all these thrusting young things, shiny-eyed and talking up the ‘new’ digitally-mediated collectivism, seem as blinkered as the Thatcher-era city kids, riding the boom). At another level, we’ve been talking exactly this kind of network-entrepreneurial future up for the last decade, and it’s exciting to see a change in the weather.

This can be a time of flux and re-arrangment of intent, loyalties, and maybe just maybe, a shifting of the centre of people’s focus in- or onto something of more mutual benefit than the traditional ‘career in media’. I hope that’s true.

As I see it, the more original thought and power there is in the network rather than in the the PLC, the better. I hope we end up with something a little closer to the form of guilds — supportive of ‘our’ people, and looking out for each other, sharing our learnings in the network.

Personally, I feel a ‘wrong’ outcome would be to emulate the Wired-era crew (read Turner’s book) & jump straight into some New Right version of libertarianism within which our ONLY value, and only opportunity, comes from being a Big Name on FaceBook, or a top-5 blogger.

Trading a career and some security for that kind of elitism wouldn’t really seem a fair trade to me.

Uh rant over. That story is here to hopefully start some meta-discussion of what ‘we’ are up to, and what we can do. There’s a storm brewing: we need all the meteorological ironmongery — be they weathervanes or lightening rods — we can forge.

]]> By: David Barrie http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july/comment-page-1#comment-398 David Barrie Sat, 30 Jun 2007 12:39:10 +0000 http://www.bigshinything.com/if-july#comment-398 My God, this is so correct. But it sends me in to a spin. What does it mean for Politics? And do to our communal fantasies that "all us powerless little losers" will gang up and "tear the city apart" - to quote artist Banksy? My God, this is so correct. But it sends me in to a spin. What does it mean for Politics? And do to our communal fantasies that “all us powerless little losers” will gang up and “tear the city apart” – to quote artist Banksy?

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